Warne or Murali?

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Warne or Murali, who is better?

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Warne v Murali , who is better?

* The question always lingers, with the two leading Test bowlers who
both are in a league of their own; which one is the better. Muttiah
Muralitharan better known as Murali or Shane Warne? I have the key to
the answer and I have valid statistics and numbers to prove it. Take a
look for yourself, enjoy.

Mr Anderson

* Bowling wise, both are wizards, capable of turning nothing into
something. Looking at the stats I've provided courtesy of Cricinfo.

Test Cricket

1. Murali averages 6 wickets per match, Warne averages 5 > Murali
2. 1759/6756 = 26% of Warne’s overall overs are maidens
1585/6118 = 26% of Murali’s overall overs are maidens > Draw
3. Warne concedes 124, Murali concedes 133 runs per match> Warne
4. Murali's average is 21.73, Warne's average is 25.53 (3.8 diff) > Murali
5. Warne's best BBI is 8/71, Murali's best is 9-51 > Murali
6. Murali’s best BBM is 16/220, Warne’s best BBM is 12/128 > Murali
7. Warne has taken 37 5 wicket hauls, Murali has taken 20 more with 57 > Murali
8. Warne has taken 10 10 wicket hauls, Murali betters that by 9 with 19 > Murali
9. Warne's strike rate is 57.4 balls per wicket, Murali betters that with 54.4 per wicket > Murali
10. Warne's economy rate per over is 2.65 runs whilst Murali has 2.39 per over > Murali

Conclusion

Murali 8-1 Warne

* From 10 Test bowling statistics, Murali has the advantage in 8 and
Warne manages to scrape one whilst the other is a draw. Thus this leads
me to conclude that Murali is a better Test bowler than Warne.

Interesting Fact: Assuming Murali kept up his form, if he played the
same amount of Test matches as Warne, he would have 882 wickets, 176
more than Warne’s current amount of 706.

ODI Cricket

1. Warne averages 1.5 wicket per match whilst Murali also averages 1.5 wicket > Draw
2. Warne’s best BBI is 5/33 whilst Murali’s BBI is 7/30 > Murali
3. 178/2576 = 7% of Murali’s overall overs are maidens
110/1774 = 6% of Warne’s overall overs are maidens > Murali
4. Warne concedes 39 runs per match while Murali concedes 35 runs per match > Murali
5. Murali’s average is 23.27, whilst Warne’s average is 25.73 (2.46 diff) > Murali
6. Warne has taken 12 4 wicket hauls just beating Murali’s 11 > Warne
7. Warne has taken 1 5 wicket haul however Murali betters that by 7 with 8 5 wicket hauls > Murali
8. Warne’s strike rate is 36.32 balls per wicket whilst Murali’s strike rate is 36.28 per wicket > Draw
9. Warne’s economy rate per over is 4.25 while Murali concedes less with 3.84 > Murali

Conclusion

Murali 6-1 Warne

* From 9 ODI bowling statistics, Murali has the upper hand in 6 and
Warne manages to gain 1 whilst 2 are draws. Consequently this leads me
to declare that Murali is a better ODI bowler.

Interesting Fact: Murali’s first Australian ODI wicket was Shane
Warne who was stumped by RS Kaluwitharana during the 1996 World Cup
Final. For the record Warne made 2 runs.

First Class Cricket

1. Warne averages 4 wickets per match whilst Murali averages 6 wickets per match > Murali
2. Murali concedes 112 runs per match whilst Warne concedes 115 runs > Murali
3. Warne’s average is 25.94 compared to Murali’s average of just only 18.80 (7.14 diff) > Murali
4. Warne's best BBI is 8/71, Murali's best is 9-51 > Murali
5. Warne has taken 64 5 wicket hauls, Murali has taken 40 more with 104 5 wicket hauls > Murali
6. Murali has 31 10 wicket hauls, 20 better than Warne’s 11 > Murali
7. Warne's strike rate is 56.85 balls per wicket, Murali betters that with 47.82 > Murali
8. Warne's economy rate per over is 2.73 runs whilst Murali has 2.35 per over > Murali

Conclusion

Murali 8-0 Warne

* From 8 First Class bowling statistics, Murali has completed a white
wash with 8 out 8. Murali really has shown his class through First
Class cricket, the amazing fact that he only averages 18.80 runs per
wicket in 201 First Class matches and he is a spinner really shows his
class. Murali’s strike rate of only 47.82 for a spinner really is
somewhat baffling considering that the current top 10 all time fast
bowlers which compose off.

1. Glenn McGrath 50.01
2. Courtney Walsh 47.28
3. Kapil Dev 58.50
4. Richard Hadlee 45.31
5. Wasim Akram 48.25
6. Curtly Ambrose 51.85
7. Shaun Pollock 58.73
8. Ian Botham 54.22
9. Malcolm Marshall 45.21
10. Waqar Younis 40.98

* Only Courtney Walsh, Richard Hadlee, Malcolm Marshall and Waqar
Younis have better First Class strike rates than Murali’s 47.82, it is
still quite unbelievable to think that a spinner would have a better
first class strike rate than 6 of the all time leading Test Fast
Bowlers.

- All time leading Fast Bowlers conducted by most Test wickets.

* Fast bowlers aside, let’s analyse the first class strike rates of the Top 10 leading Test Spin bowlers of all time.

- All time leading Spin Bowlers conducted by most Test wickets.

1. Shane Warne 56.85
2. Anil Kumble 58.09
3. Lance Gibbs 76.59
4. Bishan Bedi 57.91
5. Richie Benaud 64.00
6. Bhagwat Chandrasekhar 50.91
7. Harbhajan Singh 57.68
8. Abdul Qadir 51.07
9. Garry Sobers 67.87
10. Daniel Vettori 71.77

* Murali defiantly has shown that he has instincts of a fast bowler
with his incredible strike rate of 47.82 with the nearest spinner being
Indian legspinner Bhagwat Chandrasekhar whose strike rate of 50.91 sees
him still 3.09 behind. However the worst strike rate in the Top 10 is
Lance Gibbs who has a First Class strike rate of 76.59 sees Murali gain
a 28.77 advantage.

Interesting Fact: Assuming Murali kept up his form, if he played
the same amount of First Class matches as Warne, he would have 1 697
wickets, 430 more than Warne’s current amount of 1 267

List A

1. Warne averages 1.5 wicket per match whilst Murali also averages 1.5 wicket > Draw
2. Warne’s best BBI is 6/42 whilst Murali’s BBI is 7/30 > Murali
3. Warne concedes 37 runs per match while Murali concedes 34 runs per match > Murali
4. Murali’s average is 22.39, whilst Warne’s average is 24.53 (2.14 diff) > Murali
5. Warne has taken 20 4 wicket hauls beating Murali’s 13 > Warne
6. Warne has taken 3 5 wicket haul however Murali betters that by 7 with 10 5 wicket hauls > Murali
7. Warne’s strike rate is 34.73 balls per wicket whilst Murali’s strike rate is 35.70 per wicket > Warne
8. Warne’s economy rate per over is 4.23 while Murali concedes less with 3.76 > Murali

Conclusion

Murali 5-2 Warne

* From 8 List A bowling statistics, Murali has claimed 5 whilst Warne
manages 2 and the other being a draw. Hence this concludes me to
declare that Murali is a better List A bowler than Warne.

Final Conclusion

Test Cricket: Murali 8-1 Warne
ODI Cricket: Murali 6-1 Warne
First Class Cricket: Murali 8-0 Warne
List A Cricket: Murali 5-2 Warne

All forms of cricket: Murali 27-4 Warne
(4 Draws)

* Statistics is one thing however I have been blown away by the numbers
that Murali has, it is amazing and it doesn’t surprised me that out of
35 statistics in all forms of cricket (Test, ODI, First Class and List
A), Murali has the advantage is 27 of them which is 77% whilst Warne
has a measly 11% which is the same percentage of stalemates.

Miscellaneous Statistics

* In the 110 Test matches Murali has played, he has been involved in 42
victorious matches (38%). Everytime Sri Lanka win, he averages an
extraordinary 15.51 for his 347 wickets. 33 of his 57 (58%) 5 wicket
hauls have come in victorious Sri Lankan matches. It shows that when
Sri Lanka do win it is mostly to the help of Murali. His average drops
from 21.73 to an incredible 15.51 which is a 6.22 difference.

* In 144 Test matches Warne has played, he has been involved in 91
victorious matches (63%). Everytime Australia win, he averages 22.37
just a 3.13 difference from his normal 25.35 Test bowling average.
However an impressive 73% of his 5 wicket hauls have come in victorious
tests, which is 27/37.

* Bar India and Australia, Murali’s bowling average against the rest of the Test nations are all below 24.

* Whilst Warne has a definite weakness against Indian batsmen with an
unpleasant average of 47.18 a massive 21.65 ahead of his aggregate Test
bowling average of 25.53. Against the rest of the test nations his
averages range from 20-30.

* Even though Warne has played an extra 30 odd tests than Murali,
Murali still has dismissed more Top order batsmen which range from
numbers 1-3 with 171, 8 more than Warne’s total of 163.

* Murali also has taken more middle order bastmen which range from numbers 4-7 with 294, 13 more than Warne’s total of 281.

* Though Warne has dismissed more of the Tail which range from numbers 8-11 with 262, 53 more than Murali’s total off 209.

* Warne at his peak in 2005 season where he took 96 wickets in 15
matches averaging 6 (6.4) wickets per match whilst Murali this season
in the 2006 season has taken an incredible 90 wickets in 11 matches
averaging 8 (8.2) wickets per match, not only two wickets more than
Warne but he is 6 wickets behind Warne and Warne has played 4 more
tests. Murali has a better average and maiden percentage, no need to
explain; just have a look at the stats yourself.

- In Test Cricket, Warne’s most dismissed opponent is former English
captain Alec Stewart, a total of 14 dismissals ranging from 4 bowled, 5
caught, 3 caught behind and 2 lbw

- In Test cricket whilst with the bat, the player who has dismissed
Warne the most is Daniel Vettori with 9 dismissals ranging from 6
caught, 2 lbw and 1 stumped

- In ODI Cricket, Warne’s most dismissed opponent is South African
Daryll Cullinan, a total of 8 dismissals ranging from 3 bowled, 3
caught and 2 stumped

- In ODI cricket whilst with the bat, the player who has dismissed
Warne the most is South African pace bowler Shaun Pollock with 4
dismissals ranging from 2 bowled and 2 caught

- In Test Cricket, Murali’s most dismissed opponent is South African
keeper Mark Boucher, a total of 12 dismissals ranging from 3 bowled, 7
caught, 1 caught behind and 1 lbw

- In Test cricket whilst with the bat, the player who has dismissed
Murali is the most is Ashley Giles with 4 dismissals ranging from 1
bowled, 1 caught, 1 caught behind and 1 lbw

- In ODI Cricket, Murali’s most dismissed opponent is Pakistani Wasim
Akram , a total of 8 dismissals ranging from 2 bowled, 2 caught, 2
caught behind and 2 stumped

- In ODI cricket whilst with the bat, the player who has dismissed
Murali the most is Pakistani spinner Saqlain Mushtaq with 3 dismissals
ranging from 2 caught and 1 stumped

Interesting Fact: Both Murali and Warne have dismissed each other 3
times in Test cricket. Warne has never dismissed Murali in ODI however
Murali has twice both by stumpings. So Murali beats Warne with a 5-3
scoreline.

Counters

Originally Posted by triplelite

Sri Lanka plays alot against lower-ranked teams, thats a major factor.

* You calling South Africa and India weak teams? What do you actually
class as a strong team, Australia? I guess if you don’t play Australia
then you are playing against weak teams, am I right?

Originally Posted by DRXX

Murali can't bat for monkey..at least warnie can..I prefer warnie as a all rounder than a bolwer itself

* I agree Murali isn’t one of the best batsmen but hey at least
he can strike the ball quite far. Have you ever seen him hit a 4 or 6?
He does have a bit of batting pedigree as a number 11, at least he
isn’t a Walsh or a Chris Martin eh?

* You cannot call Warne an all rounder, he isn’t an all-rounder.
Technically an all-rounder is someone who averages over 30 with the bat
and under 30 with the ball. Warne averages under 30 with the ball but
is no where near 30 with the bat. However you can say that he is a
“tail ender” who can bat all he is close to a somewhat bowling all
rounder. Take all rounders like Gary Sobers, Kapil Dev, Jacques Kallis,
Ian Botham and Imran Khan.

Originally Posted by newberygrl

Nah
I think Warnie is way better. He bowls unplayable balls as Murali does
but is just far superior. There is no leggie in the world that can bowl
with the same control as warnie but there are plenty of finger spinners
who have the same control as mUrali(although may not turn it as far)

* Statistics don’t prove that Warne is far more superior than
Murali, actually it’s the opposite. Name me a finger spinner who has
the same control as Murali, how can you actually judge that anyway? The
fact is, you can’t.

Originally Posted by Salty Pants

But warnie is a legy and Murali isn't .It's hard to take wickets when you are a legy .Talking from experience

1. Shane Warne: 706 wickets @ 25.35| Leg spin
2. Anil Kumble: 542 wickets @ 28.56| Leg spin
3. Lance Gibbs: 309 wickets @ 29.09| Off break
4. Bishan Bedi: 266 wickets @ 28.71| left-arm orthodox
5. Richie Benaud: 248 wickets @ 27.03| Leg Spin
6. Bhagwat Chandrasekhar: 242 wickets @ 29.74| Leg spin
7. Harbhajan Singh: 238 wickets @ 29.86| Off break
8. Abdul Qadir: 236 wickets @ 32.80| Leg spin
9. Garry Sobers: 235 wickets @ 34.03| left-arm orthodox and left-arm chinaman
10. Daniel Vettori: 229 wickets @ 34.28| left-arm orthodox

* You kidding me? It might be hard for you but it isn’t for 6 of the
Top 10 all time wicket taking spin bowlers because they were all leg
spinners. *Gasps* Dam Warnie is a leg spinner but wait being a leg
spinner is hard because it’s hard taking wickets dam I wonder why 6 of
the Top 10 all time wicket taking spin bowlers were leg spinners. Hey
this doesn’t sound right…?

Originally Posted by newberygrl

Lol he probably will and to be honest I dont count one of those wickets as he has thrown every single one of them.
Murali plays in a very average team and takes the majority of their
wickets cause their bowling line up isnt that strong, so he has the
ability to take truck loads of wickets.
Whereas Warne has to fight with all the top aussie bowlers to get his
wickets and often doesnt have the opportunity to take as many wickets
in a n innings as generally the bowler at the other end steps up and
does their job and takes wickets!!

“He was cleared by the ICC after biomechanical analysis at the
University of Western Australia and at the University of Hong Kong in
1996. They concluded that his action created the `optical illusion of
throwing'.” – Quote from Cricinfo profile of Murali

* I’m no expert in biomechanics but you know that Shane Warne guy looks
like he is chucking, *GASPS* Oh my gosh!!!! HE IS A CHUCKER but not
only am I not qualified to define why he is a chucker, I also don’t
know what biomerchanics is. Hmm but still Warne is a chucker, I know it
even when he has been cleared twice by biomechanics experts.

Originally Posted by newberygrl

Have
you never watched him "bowl"??? Are you blind or what?? He throws the
ball and the only reason it is now legal is cse the ICC are gutless and
are scared of the Asian nations(yet again) so changed the rules so
Murali can not only bowl but bowl the doosra.
How is this right?? How can he claim to be the best 'bowler"??

* Yes I’ve seen him bowl.

“He was cleared by the ICC after biomechanical analysis at the
University of Western Australia and at the University of Hong Kong in
1996. They concluded that his action created the `optical illusion of
throwing'.” – Quote from Cricinfo profile of Murali

^ I guess Murali is chucking you know even though he has been proved that he doesn’t on not 1 but 2 occasions.

* Funny first person to be banned under the ICC 15 degree “chucking”
law was ummm Shabir Ahmed, fast medium bowler from Pakistan who has a
great record of 50 odd test wickets from 10 matches. Last time I
checked, Pakistan was part of Asia. Maybe because statistics prove that
he is way above Shane Warne in terms of wickets taken at “x” amount of
matches and he also has a better average, economy rate, BBI, BBM,
strike rate and ect.

Originally Posted by The Duke

Wow, intense.

Anyway, Murli has more wickets combined then Warne will ever get. Warne
has 999 and Murli has 1099. It's just that whenever Murli comes in to
bowl, the batsmen get lazy and sky one to the mid on region.

Royally Yours,
The Duke

* I guess every single one of those 171 opening to 3rd batsmen were
lazy and skied one to mid on. Dam Warne has taken more Tail wickets, I
wonder what that means...

Originally Posted by HINTON_18

yes
BUT, If you dont count Bangladesh & Zimbabwe, Warne has about 150
More wickets than Murali, Murali gets cheap wickets, thats because
Macgill plays against Bang & co.

* Sure alright, Murali would of played 90 matches and taken 537 wickets.

* When Warne was on 90 matches, he took 395 wickets.

* Dam 537-395, you do the maths?

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Stati...?PlayerID=1856

^ Scroll down to Match 90.

* I guess Murali still manages to take more wickets, 142 more to be
more precise even without Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Mate if you don’t
know what you are talking about, don’t talk because this just
strengthens my case that Murali is a better bowler.

Great Videos off Warne and Murali

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCYr46HR7R4
^ Worthwhile video of 6.34 mins, Warne talking about his greatest ever wickets and of course the footage of them

YouTube - shane warne

YouTube - shane warne

^ Ball of the century, by Warne to Gatting. Yes the first ball of
Warne’s ashes career and yes the one that pitched outside leg but came
rearing back into off and middle.

YouTube - Sri Lanka Cricket - Murali bowls leg spin

YouTube - Sri Lanka Cricket - Murali bowls leg spin

^ Who says Murali can’t bowl leg spinners

YouTube - Awesome spinning!

YouTube - Awesome spinning!

^ Warne bowling Strauss around the legs with a beauty. Not as good as the one to Chanderpaul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97WJvXZrK9s
^ Murali bowls Vaughan with a gigantic ripping off spinner.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
^ Dam even when the doosra isn’t bowled properly well pitched well wide off offstump yet still manages to take middle and leg.

YouTube - The Action as seen by Kumar Sangakkara

YouTube - The Action as seen by Kumar Sangakkara

^ I know, not about Murali or Warne but hey Kumar sledging Shaun Pollock hehe

Conclusion

* Well it’s been a long comparison, not only has statistics proven that
Murali is a better bowler they have also proved that he is also better
in every single form of the game by quite a margin.

Test Cricket: Murali 8-1 Warne
ODI Cricket: Murali 6-1 Warne
First Class Cricket: Murali 8-0 Warne
List A Cricket: Murali 5-2 Warne

All forms of cricket: Murali 27-4 Warne

* Murali isn’t just your modern spin wizard he also has the mentality
of a fast bowler because his strike rate does not say that he is a
genuine spinner then again that is first class but that is quite
amazing. Keep in mind Test is also counted in First Class matches for
some people who are going to claim “MURALI CLAIMED THEM IN SRI LANKAN
MATCHES, NOT COUNTED!!!” Hmmm of his 201 First Class matches, 110 of
them are International Test matches .
Also he has played for Lancashire County Cricket Club and taken 152
First Class wickets in 3 seasons that reminds me he has resigned to
them for 2007 as an overseas player. No this isn’t a biased comparison
against Shane Warne, heck I’m Aussie myself with Chinese heritage if
you wanted to know. No I do not go for Sri Lanka, I’m a Pakistani and
of course Aussie supporter however I do admire Murali’s magic. For the
record, Murali is a better bowler than Shane Warne in all forms of the game
as I have proved however hopefully you guys have figured this out
yourself after reading my comparison. Feedback would be nice,
positive/negative I don’t care keep in mind negative feedback will see
me debating/defending like a lawyer defending a guilty client haha
enjoy and Happy New Year. 2007 ftw.

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Iceman

Oh wow.

Warne for sure, he has a legal action.

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Yer Warne he can bat aswell

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Warne by a great deal.

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Warne - he bowls.

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SUMUKH (age 10) wrote:

My season is almost over
Season so far stats(including all the formats we play)
2,178 Runs @78.82(Best of a 201*)

148 wickets @23.24(Best figures 45-18-121-8)

Want to get the last 2 wickets to make 150

Skyblue

This would be a very long conversation because of me guys...

I would say murli is better then warne...

BTW this statics are about 2 years old.

**Daniel0308**

I think you're only saying that as Warne isn't Indian.

I reckon they'll make a new type of bowling for him in the near future, Slow Right Arm Chuck. Tounge

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I shouldn't have questioned Daniel's greatness and smartness...

Skyblue

Daniel0308 wrote:

I think you're only saying that as Warne isn't Indian.

I reckon they'll make a new type of bowling for him in the near future, Slow Right Arm Chuck. Tounge

I am not only supporting Indian....

Murli already broke warne's record in test & ODIs.

Tombi257

Actually didnt he get there first? In Tests?

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Warne retired before Murali broke them...

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I shouldn't have questioned Daniel's greatness and smartness...

**Mick**

Warney. Because he's Australian mostly. Smile

Wow Mr Anderson must have no life.......

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Warne just because he is Aussie Tounge

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Daniel0308 wrote:

Warne retired before Murali broke them...

But Murali broke his record...

Also he got good international one day match (ODI) career too.

They both are great but Murali is kind of ahead of warne in the number of wicket which he has taken in the test cricket...

But if we see in tactics and tricks then warne might could be one step ahead of Murali.

madman

easily warne because he bowls propaly

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madman wrote:

easily warne because he bowls propaly

That.

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Skyblue wrote:

Daniel0308 wrote:

Warne retired before Murali broke them...

But Murali broke his record...

Also he got good international one day match (ODI) career too.

They both are great but Murali is kind of ahead of warne in the number of wicket which he has taken in the test cricket...

But if we see in tactics and tricks then warne might could be one step ahead of Murali.

I'm pretty sure that Warne didn't play ODI's towards the last 2 or 3 years of his career.. Meh. Whatever.

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Tombi257

He didnt
He retired so he could play Tests longer

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paxtonpale · Member Location: Sydney Posts: 147 Reputation: 0 Registration date: 2008-11-21

Its simple
Ones a thrower and the others a proper spinner.

aidancdaman

Hmmm.....

One's a leg-spinner
One's an off-spinner

Murali actually has a medical condition which forces his elbows to lock at the point of delivery. He has the record now, whether you Aussies like it or not.

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paxtonpale wrote:

Its simple
Ones a thrower and the others a proper spinner.

So who do you think is thrower and who do you think is spinner?